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Reposted and expanded from Twitter, 15 September 2021
Rapid Abolition of the Corona System | Mash-Up! *Stefan Lanka *Igson Negrin
WHERE'S THE CONTROL EXPERIMENT PROTOCOL, STEFAN?
The Corona Conspiracy, Part 32
FRANK VISSER
'A Refutation of Virology'
Explaining the Methodology
Meta-conspiracy or Conspiracy 2.0
'In Scientific Journals!'
Let the Show Begin...
Appendix 1: The Don Quixote of Modern Virology
Appendix 2: More Allegations of "Scientific Fraud"
In current science, you can't just make up your claims like Stefan Lanka does, but you need to support them with empirical evidence.
Checking up up on Stefan Lanka's silly project to "disprove all of virology", I found brief videos on a YouTube channel by "independent scientist" Igson Negrin, a Lanka fan who has approached the CDC and Ulrike Kämmerer by email with a rather peculiar request.[1] Kämmerer was the main author of the Corman-Drosten Review Report, which was published in December 2020 with the aim to demand a retraction of the first RT-PCR protocol designed for SARS-CoV-2 by the team around German virologist Christian Drosten (see Part 20 and Part 24).
‘A REFUTATION OF VIROLOGY’
Igson Negrin
Igson Negrin (Facebook)
As you may recall, Lanka has claimed that all viruses are non-existent (including SARS-CoV-2), and that he can "prove" this by a simple "control experiment." Any genome can be assembled, he claims, from any set of genetic material (see Part 28)
There is, however, one issue. Stefan Lanka has not yet done that simple experiment.
Obviously, he lacks both the expertise and the laboratory access to perform it. And he argues, it wouldn't help if he would do that experiment, because he is an "outsider", who would not be believed from the start (true). So Igson Negrin has now taken up the task to approach professional virologists and request them to do this "simple control experiment."
Here's the email Negri has sent to Ulrike Kämmerer on August 17, 2021:
Source: https://twitter.com/wartime171717/, August 18, 2021
Unfortunately, in the mail, the nature of this decisive control experiment is not specified. It is unclear what information Negrin has provided to Kämmerer.
Now, one can say much about this infamous team that tried to take down the Corman-Drosten PCR test protocol, but at least they believe in the existence of viruses and viral genomes. Well, most of their team members, some are true virus denialists (see Part 25). But Kämmerer is not that far into the rabbit hole, as is Stefan Lanka. She would not buy into: "From one set of data collected for the assembly of one genome in virology it is possible to assemble all the genomes of all 'viruses' at the same time." She knows better than that (I sincerely hope).
Negrin optimistically continues that it is very easy to perform this "quick and elegant control experiment" and that it will cost 0 Euro. He states that he expects a reply from her in one day, and will also let the world know if she did not or did not respond to him in time. This is, of course, beyond any bounds of professionalism and sanity. Even if taken seriously, it would take some time and money for a lab employee to assemble any virus from any data, if that would be feasible at all. Of course it isn't. The burden of proof is fully on Lanka.
At the end of his mail, Negrin loses all sense of proportion when he implies that, when Kämmerer doesn't reply on time, he will inform "the whole of Germany and the whole public in the world." He does seem to have reached out to a few US states (Texas and Arizona), and is planning to contact all US senators about this "control experiment".
EXPLAINING THE METHODOLOGY
If Stefan Lanka would perform this "experiment" himself, and publish a decent paper about it, explaining his methodology, it would be ground-breaking. Soon, other scientists would flock together and try to replicate (or disprove) his results. That's the way science works. But Stefan Lanka is just not up to this task, apparently. As I have explained before, on purely theoretical grounds his claim is baseless. It is like saying: you can write any book with the same alphabet! That is true, indeed, but trivial in the extreme. Books still exist (see Part 26).
It would also be interesting to learn Ulrike Kämmerer's response to this strange and rather rude request/threat from "independent scientist" Negrin. This meme (left) was posted on Twitter by another Lanka-fan, who goes by the name "wartime", next to Negrin's email. In quasi-official style, the Ulrike Kämmerer meme is date stamped (and it seems her deadline has passed by now, one month later).
Ulrike Kämmerer Marion Koopmans
Source: https://t.me/igsonnegrin/, August 18, 2021
The same message has been sent by Negrin to world-class Dutch virologist Marion Koopmans, on the right (who was a member of the Corman-Drosten team that designed the first PCR test for SARS-CoV-2). Will she do this simple control experiment which refutes all of virology and costs 0 Euro?
You know the answer. :-) It is pointless.
As we have seen, Stefan Lanka himself is unable to do his own "control experiment", but at least he can share his protocol, so real scientists can execute them. Of course, this protocol will not work in practice, because genomics simply doesn't work in a piece-by-piece way. So the real question is for Stefan Lanka to specify how he wants to run his "control experiment". Take all the As, Cs, Us and Gs from a RNA extraction data set and build the genome of his liking? Or follow the protocols of science and let the data generate the true genomes?
Stefan Lanka
https://t.me/igsonnegrin/, Sep 3, 2021
It is fairly obvious from the above that Lanka, Negrin and company have no clue about how genome assembly actually works—and the same goes for their audience. It is not a matter of piecing nucleotides together until you have the genome, like the type-setting of a book. Rather, the genome emerges from the data itself. It is like opening a book and reading a few sentences. Pretty soon you recognize what book you are reading. The fact that all books use the same alphabet is totally irrelevant.
Claiming otherwise exposes one's ignorance. Stefan Lanka excels in spreading this utter nonsense.
But let's face it. Most virus denialists (Kaufman, Cowan, Icke) point to Stefan Lanka as their one and only "real" virologist—even if he no longer believes in the existence of viruses. So when he is not able to substantiate his claims with empirical research, or when he seems to do some experiments, he is not able to report on it in any serious and scientific manner, thing look bleak indeed for the virus denialist cause.
To his credit, Igson Negrin understands that in current science, you can't just make up your claims like Stefan Lanka does, but you need to support them with empirical evidence. In one Telegram post, he openly questions if Lanka is up to date with modern genomic science and pressures him to provide the evidence, or at least the protocol other scientists can use.
Source: https://t.me/igsonnegrin/, September 6, 2021
That is, in fact, exactly the impression I get from reading and listening to Stefan Lanka. Let's listen to Lanka himself, explaining his control experiment:
Lanka: “Here is the central point. They never tried to get out of their sequences... the genome of another virus... and this is the control experiment...” (1:10)
Funny how someone with zero knowledge of modern genome sequencing technology—which is a very specialized and highly paid field of bio-informatics—is lecturing on scientists how to do their job... Negrin himself is playing around with some online sequencing tools, but it is unclear if he understands their functionality at all.
In the meantime, Negrin has blocked me on his Telegram channel... so much for being open to debate.
META-CONSPIRACY OR CONSPIRACY 2.0
On Telegram Igson Negrin claims that even Reiner Fuellmich is now seeing the "truth" that there is no virus at all, apparently after having interviewed a virus denialist (most probably nutrition activist Mike Adams).[2] In an interview with Adams, he claimed that there is no viral isolate of SARS-CoV-2 at all (while admitting he's not a virologist).
Negrin urges Stefan Lanka to finally publish the results of his control experiment.
Source: https://t.me/igsonnegrin/, September 2, 2021
I am not sure if Reiner Fuellmich (not "dr. Reiner", and not a doctor) has converted to full-fledged virus denialism, but I do agree that his bombastic announcements about massive anti-lockdown class suit actions has lead us nowhere (see Part 27).
At the same time, he questions the work of the German Corona Ausschuss team (headed by Reiner Fuellmich), for not delivering the goods and endlessly talking about major law suits and class actions (against Christian Drosten among others). He sees them as merely controlled opposition. So he is deep into the rabbit hole himself.
Indeed, virus denalism is basically meta-conspiracy or conspiracy 2.0.
‘IN SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS!’
Imagine you have made a world shaking scientific discovery - viruses don't exist and viral genomes are just digital fabrications - and you announce it like this on Telegram.
Stefan Lanka
Source: https://t.me/igsonnegrin/, September 21, 2021
My prediciton [sic] is: in winter it's over!
Publication will follow shortly. In scientific journals!
This chaos will turn into good for everyone.
We have a central platform where we are publishing the results.
Virologists fabricate genomes with the help of:
- "wet lab" fabrication - dirty PCR with unacceptably many cycles
- "dry lab" fabrication - a software tool that creates various sequences similar to the application of "wet lab" fabrication
I can't wait to see that final and long awaited Lanka publication in print: my guess: he needs to do a lot of computer fabrication himself to "prove" his point.
LET THE SHOW BEGIN...
Bits and pieces of Lanka's methodology can be reaped from a recent Freedom Talk video posted on conspiracy channel Odysee[3]:
Freedom Talk 4, September 23rd, 2021 (with Lanka, Cowan and Kaufman)
Interviewer: So the first question in this Freedom Talk is about the Control Experiment, and my question is: what will be revealed, and what will be the logical and compelling consequence of the findings?
Lanka: What is revealed at the moment is, that they never found a viral sequence. Second, they amplified nucleotides, in a high number, and then they don't find a viral genome. What they are doing, in this second step, is they arrange the molecules, according to a different genome, and then they start to build primers, to get the empty spaces in the genome, and then they do a second, very dirty PCR, and only then do they come up with a viral genome.
So the Control Experiment shows that they never, ever had a sequence. Then they multiply, and they have no sequence. And then they do a very dirty second step of sequencing, using synthetic primers, and they add up what they synthesized into the genome. So they synthesized 20% of the genome.
So to make this clear, we have RNA of perfectly healthy human tissue. When we do a perfectly clean amplification of 12 cycles, we get already 20% of the viral genome, using the same program they are using. Then when we use 30 cycles, we get 98% of the viral genome.
And now we are planning to perform the third step, to use a very dirty PCR, with a lot of primers, that is called "deep metagenomic sequencing", and then we will get a 100%.
And what I am predicting here and now: we are going to use the same experiment, the third experiment, we are using RNA from cats, from dogs, from cows, from chicken, and I am sure that will get a 100% of the SARS-CoV-2 genome.
And what is this proving? This Control Experiment is the experimental disproof of the whole of virology. Because with this kind of approach, you can construct with one source all kinds of different viral genomes that in reality never ever existed. (12:00-14:00)
So apparently Lanka has access now to lab technology. However, it is unclear:
What sequencing software his team has used exactly
What protocol of what scientific paper he is critiquing here
Why synthetic primers were needed to cover the genome
How he extracted RNA from human tissue samples
How more cycles produced different results instead of more of same
What length of RNA strings were produced by these primers
How these would fit into the larger genome of SARS-CoV-2
Again, we would need to see a carefully written paper about these Control Experiments. Just bluffing on social media about your own excellence brings us nowhere.
What is Shotgun Metagenomic Sequencing?
Shotgun metagenomic sequencing allows researchers to comprehensively sample all genes in all organisms present in a given complex sample. The method enables microbiologists to evaluate bacterial diversity and detect the abundance of microbes in various environments. Shotgun metagenomics also provides a means to study unculturable microorganisms that are otherwise difficult or impossible to analyze. (Illumina)
APPENDIX 1: THE DON QUIXOTE OF MODERN VIROLOGY
Not hindered by the fact that he has yet to publish his results in an academic journal, Stefan Lanka cries victory and feels confident to accuse scientists and government officials of crimes against humanity. He truly is the Don Quixote of modern virology. In an open letter published on his own website titled "Offener Brief an den deutschen Gesundheitsminister Jens Spahn", he addresses the German federal minister of health Jens Spahn.[4] It covers not only the current SARS-CoV-2 pandemic but also his favorite subject of the Measles (reminding him that he had notified Spahn of this already in early 2020).
Don Quixote
As to the non-existence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, Lanka claims, referring to one of the first scientific papers to publish the full genome[5]:
"A genetic strand that would correspond to the published sequence has never been detected." Lanka seems unaware that genomes are reconstructed based on fragments on the genome found in nature. He might not like this method, but that is how it is done.
"Based on the sequence data generated in the first round of nucleic acid propagation, short pieces of nucleic acids are biochemically generated for the propagation of nucleic acids by PCR, so-called primers. " Lanka seems unaware of the fact that primers don't produce sequences, but amplify existing genetic material only when both the forward and the reverse primers (which are separated by long strands of RNA) match the sample material.
"The anti-scientificness of all involved virologists is proven by the fact that in the very publication of Prof. Yong-Zhen Zhang from Shanghai, who together with his co-workers discovered and specified the alleged sequence of the viral genome of the alleged SARS-CoV-2, the compelling control experiments are missing and this striking omission was and is tolerated." A control experiment would be, he claims, to attempt to generate the viral genome from uninfected sample material. Lanka doesn't seem to understand that genomes can't be generated at will, but rather emerge from the sample material as an assembly of overlapping fragments.
He ends his letter with the appropriate grandiosity:
I expect you to admit your shortcomings to the population and to cooperate in repairing the damage done in your responsibility to the body and soul of the population and the economy by the unjustifiable Corona/Covid measures and by the measles vaccination obligation.
Stefan Lanka seems totally clueless about how whole genome sequencing actually works.
Dr Stefan Lanka: interview with Joan Shenton - 25/9/2021
APPENDIX 2: MORE ALLEGATIONS OF "SCIENTIFIC FRAUD"
If Stefan Lanka is the Don Quixote of modern virology, Igson Negrin is his faithful (but critical) servant Sancho Panza. He frequently posts on Telegram brief memes or arguments supposedly proving scientific fraud related to the genome sequencing of SARS-CoV-2. Here are a few examples:
Prof Zhang Yongzhen did not upload the raw reads of his genome sequencing to the database, but manipulated data. (Most probably human genetic date were filtered out)
In Germany, the Infectious Diseases Act has been violated because current virological practices are not based on science. (Scientists think otherwise).
WHO recommends inadequate control experiments (i.e. with water and buffer)
Some of the raw reads are problematic; they start with FFFFFFFFFF or NNNNNNNNN. (This is quite normal, these should be filtered out).
The first sars-cov-2 genome was not isolated from an isolated virus particle but from computer software based on material from a special fluid from the human lung. (exactly that: "based on material from a special fluid", i.e. the molecular sequences in the RNA got digitized and no information was lost in the process).
The raw reads of the first genome contained very long contigs, of the same length as the full genome, which is impossible.
Terminology needs to be corrected from WGS (whole genome sequencing) & WGA (whole genome assembly) to WGF (whole genome fabrication)
Without the presence of sars-cov-2 "virus", as well as without the presence of measles "virus", the following "virus" genomes can be obtained: 1. sars-cov-2, if sars-cov-2 primers are added to the mixture. 2. measles, if measles primers are added to the mixture. (this is not how primers work, see above)
Virologists perform dirty PCR with a minimum of 35 cycles, and most often 40-45 cycles. (the number of cycles is irrelevant: primers can only find genetic material when it really exists in the sample)
Dirty PCR first inserts sequences by primers and then finds them (see Table 8 of the Wu paper). (no, these relatively short primers are only the start and end of long intermediate sequences that are retrieved.)
The creators of the first alleged genome of sars-cov-2 have listed about 300,000 contigs in their scientific publication. However if we put their "raw reads" data into a bioinformatics tool we will get about 30,000 contigs. (most probably the human genetic material was filtered out)
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing...
Stefan Lanka x Igson Negrin | Assembly & Dirty PCR / Mash-Up!
NOTES
[1] Igson Negrin, an "independent scientist" (Facebook description) living in Rotterdam, is active on YouTube, Facebook and Telegram.
[2] Corona Ausschuss, "Ad-hoc 15 - Where to find the isolate?", odyssee.com, August 17th, 2021. Mike Adams is the founder of Natural News, "a far-right, anti-vaccination conspiracy theory and fake news website known for promoting alternative medicine, pseudoscience, and far-right extremism." (Wikipedia)
[3] Dean's Danes, "Freedom Talk 4: Interview with Dr. Stefan Lanka, Dr. Tom Cowan & Dr. Andrew Kaufman", odysee.com, September 23rd, 2021
[4] Stefan Lanka, "Offener Brief an den deutschen Gesundheitsminister Jens Spahn", wissenschafftplus.de, October 5, 2021. English translation.
[5] , Fan Wu et al., "A new coronavirus associated with human respiratory disease in China", Nature, 03 February 2020.
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Das gefällt mir noch nicht, weil zu wenig über Lanka und zu viel über Viren drin steht. Die Gegenargumente gegen die Perth Group gehören auf eine eigene Seite. Wenn ich mit Jo Conrad und Kawi Schneider fertig bin, kümmere ich mich mal drum. [[Benutzer:Thomas x|Thomas x]] 01:30, 9. Jun. 2007 (CDT)
Das gefällt mir noch nicht, weil zu wenig über Lanka und zu viel über Viren drin steht. Die Gegenargumente gegen die Perth Group gehören auf eine eigene Seite. Wenn ich mit Jo Conrad und Kawi Schneider fertig bin, kümmere ich mich mal drum. [[Benutzer:Thomas x|Thomas x]] 01:30, 9. Jun. 2007 (CDT)